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Rokker's avatar

Some interesting points, Fred, and yes- I do live in a place where nudity is tolerated or even embraced far more than in America. But while I'm one of those who often suggest that many naturists' fear of causing offence is a perceived fear rather than one that is borne out of actual experience, I'm also mindful of the fact that some have careers and other factors to consider. I suspect, however, that they would be valid concerns to a much greater proportion of naturists in America than to those here in New Zealand.

Another point you raised is that young nudists might be far more interested in naked parties, trips to a nude beach or nude hiking than any landed club. I would go even further than that by saying that young people are not even interested in the labels "naturist" or "nudist". A week ago I returned from six days at Kiwiburn - New Zealand's regional Burning Man festival. On the Saturday night over 1,000 people ran and danced naked around the dying embers of the effigy - mostly young folks who never consider themselves as naturists. Skinny-dipping in New Zealand has always been acceptable at beaches and rivers and there would be few folks here who have never done that.

So, yes, I agree that landed clubs will likely fade away over time. New Zealand is a Common Law country, and it is becoming very rare now for anyone to be arrested for simply being naked in an appropriate public place, due to ongoing court precedents being set. There is becoming less need for landed clubs to exist - especially for younger folks.

For these reasons I'm less inclined these days to promote naturism as a philosophy or even to wear the label. Rather, I'm more than happy to advocate for nudity to become more and more acceptable in society as just another dress code for appropriate activities. You don't need a label for that, any more than you need a label for wearing a T-shirt.

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MystrD's avatar

Over the years I’ve been hot and cold over the naturism/nudism movement but have never lost my appetite for nude recreation.

As I’ve commented elsewhere, the NN narrative hasn’t really changed over the last 15++ years. Nor has it seemed to have visibly moved the needle in terms of acceptance and adoption.

I reckon what the NN crowd probably don’t get is a lot people don’t mind nudity, but don’t, nor want to identify as a NN for all sorts of reasons.

I myself shy away from that tag more often than not because it always felt like a badly tailored wrap that never really fit me right.

Maybe what younger people can relate to far more readily is the concept of body liberation. This concept is something they can probably shape and own the way they want to own it. You only need look at gender identity to see how quickly a grass roots concept can catch on and rapidly become mainstream. To the point corporations feel obligated to recognise and support it.

Part of the problem is something Fred has eluded to. You look at the NN demographic and it’s dominated by a lot of older people. Quite often grumbling about how marginalised NN is.

Contrast that to what’s happening in other circles and the philosophies and ideas might not suit that well with the NN crowd, but arguably, has a much greater ground swell that can relate and join in on terms they’re comfortable with.

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