From what I can see, elements of Project 2025 have already been introduced in some U.S. states, where abortion has been effectively banned, books have been banned, and Bible lessons have been reintroduced to classroom, among other things. Whether the federal government will try to enact nationwide bans on things remains to be seen.
That said, Florida is considered to be one of the template states for Project 2025, and I haven't heard of naturists being targeted yet.
About the term "woke," which one person used in the comments section here: it is considered to be perjorative, and it's not a word I would expect to see naturists using, considering we see everyone as equal, especially in social nudism settings. We accept people from all walks of life in our community regardless of their political and religious affiliations, race, sexual orientation, gender identity etc.
Sadly, though, there are probably some people who see naturists as "woke," given our respect for the environment and our participation in events like the Naked Bike Rides, which are a form of protest against the use of fossil fuels in favour of pedal power.
I've looked through Project 2025. (I have NOT read it closely. Much too much work.) I figure that's more legit than reading someone else's interpretation.
A lot of it is mundane. Some of it sounds like a good idea. Some of it sounds nutty. But there's the whole Christianization of government part that most voters would not be happy with.
The part of P2025 that concerns us is the resucitation of the Comstock Act of 1873. It prohibits the transmission of obscene materials by the post office or any express company or other common carrier. It was amended to include any wire, cable, broadcast, or interactive computer service. This even includes audio recordings.
The same prohibition applies to information on abortion and birth control as well as the distribution of "treasonous material."
The exact wording of the Comstock Act as amended is here:
Over the years, the courts have trimmed away the authority of the Comstock Act. However, the Act is still on the books and the next Supreme Court can look at the law and say it all looks good to them. The only way to completely kill a law is through repeal. Otherwise, it can rise from the dead like a vampire.
I think the Trump administration will be very careful how they tiptoe around Project 2025 and free speech. There would be a tremendous voter backlash to strict enforcement with a broad definition of "obscene, lewd, lascivious, or filthy." I don't think Elon would accept broad free-speech restrictions, either. They'll pick an egregious case they think they can win, and then it will have to traverse the courts.
What will happen long before any criminal prosecution is businesses that host websites proactively removing any material that could conceivably fall under the Comstock Act because they don't want the hassle of a possible fight in the future. The government can intimidate businesses into not allowing something, even if that something is perfectly legal.
I would adopt a "wait and see" approach. This will not happen suddenly. I doubt Elon Musk would tolerate it, if it did. If you remember, during the Reagan Administration, Attorney General Edwin Meese tried to declare Playboy and other girlie magazines to be pornography and prohibited under the Comstock Act. It went nowhere.
Naturism itself is not under the federal purview, but the government could conceivably regulate commercial resorts under the Interstate Commerce Clause. I don't believe it will happen.
In fact,, I don't think they will pull off even a tenth of what they want. Republicans have only a precarious hold on Congress, and most of the people he wants to nominate don't have the competence to steer billion-dollar bureaucracies. Lawsuits will be filed and they will take time to wend through the courts. We will see rampant confusion for the first couple of years.
Land of the free and home of the brave. That is the biggest crock of S&1T I have ever heard of. It should be Land of the 'you have to be brave to be free' . how twisted has the country become, that people disguising themselves as christian conservatives are sprouting censorship, Hey I get porn, that should only be available to those that are mature enough, but the mere human body, well, they will likely outlaw greys anatomy (the book not the sitcom) because it containes images of an undressed human, and shows images of genitals, cummon people, what the H3LL is happening that you are ignorant to the fact that you are not free to be who you are. True freedom is being able to walk down the street naked without fear or persecution until that happens, your rights will be eroded until you are slaves to the system, dependant on the media for guidance - roll on 1984, it coming folks... WAKE UP EVERYONE!!!
Based on the Trump nominees so far, it looks like Project 25 is going nowhere. Two of the appointees who would have to carry some of the load for P25, AG Pam Bondi and FBI Kash Patel, are not P25 people. As I have posted before, any action against naturism will come from the States not the Federal government.
I'm sure there will be an effort to implement some of P25. There are even a few points raised that I agree with, like some of the proposals for Defence. It isn't like he can wave a hand and "make it so." The controversial stuff is controversial, and moving anything controversial is like wallowing in quicksand.
He will be much too busy to chase down naturists online. Preemptive moves by nervous Nellies in the web-hosting sphere would be my only concern, along with state/local governments gone amok.
Wishing you too a Happy December & Happy Christmas..You have raised a genuine doubt about the future for naturism in US when new government will be in action.History confirms that when any country-society opts to go with extreme nationalism & religiously motivated politics rather than the humanitarian approach, that country-society starts to loose its progress at all fronts.. Naturism is one of these fronts..
Some of us are nervous. Not so much because of T****, but more because of the "Christian" White Supremacists that put him back in office. You may recall that a few years ago Florida's governor, Ron DeSantis, took on Walt Disney World because of their progressive policies re LGBTQ folk. (And lost, thankfully!) And Wisconsin has already fought off a legal challenge aimed at the World Naked Bike Ride. So yeah, we're watching to see what White Christian Nationalism(TM) will try to do to us.
I guess you believed the lie. He wants to hire several of project 2025 if approved. He lied so people would vote for him as it was not a popular project in general. It no holds barred and good luck to our cause here. We will need it and does no good to deny it.
The idea that there will be a crackdown on pornography under a Trump government, given the president-elect’s history with a porn actress and “pussygate” stretches irony beyond its most elastic limits. Remember when Henry Kissinger got the Nobel peace prize and Tom Lehrer gave up satire saying he couldn’t compete with that? This will be another of those moments.
No doubt "infusing conservative Christian values" in a country that will be led by a morally bankrupt individual that doesn't exhibit the most basic Christian values is absurd.
I suggest we can get some of idea as to some of the answers your questions by looking at what Elon has done with 'X'. He has stood by it in spite of some serious pushback from other countries. It is from ideologies such as china's
north korea pakistan, iraq, iran, etc, that we have to worry about absolutism.IMO.
I am ready to move to Canada before Trump's clown car completely wipes out our savings.
Some of the other comments say "don't panic". I am not concerned that Trump has "anything to do with Project 2025". Trump said, and this may be the only time he was telling the truth, that he hasn't read it. Of course he hasn't read it. Trump does not read anything. During his first term, it was reported that Donald Trump preferred his daily intelligence briefings to be presented in a more visual and concise format. He rarely read the written version of the President's Daily Brief (PDB) and instead opted for oral presentations that included maps, charts, pictures, and videos.
Of course he didn't read Project 2025.
No, Trump doesn't worry me because he is simply too stupid to carry out any of his insane threats. The people who worry me are those who are pulling his strings.
And, yes, the Federal government can and will make Naturism illegal. But first they have to make the US a "Christian" nation.
As a member of the rest of the world, I am constantly aware that the USA impacts us detrimentally. My personal desires and members of all the other 200 odd countries outside of USA are imposed upon by them. Let’s start the free world hosting alliance that does allow freedom of expression… let’s take back control of our data from the big US companies and use the equivalent of the
From what I can see, elements of Project 2025 have already been introduced in some U.S. states, where abortion has been effectively banned, books have been banned, and Bible lessons have been reintroduced to classroom, among other things. Whether the federal government will try to enact nationwide bans on things remains to be seen.
That said, Florida is considered to be one of the template states for Project 2025, and I haven't heard of naturists being targeted yet.
About the term "woke," which one person used in the comments section here: it is considered to be perjorative, and it's not a word I would expect to see naturists using, considering we see everyone as equal, especially in social nudism settings. We accept people from all walks of life in our community regardless of their political and religious affiliations, race, sexual orientation, gender identity etc.
Sadly, though, there are probably some people who see naturists as "woke," given our respect for the environment and our participation in events like the Naked Bike Rides, which are a form of protest against the use of fossil fuels in favour of pedal power.
I've looked through Project 2025. (I have NOT read it closely. Much too much work.) I figure that's more legit than reading someone else's interpretation.
A lot of it is mundane. Some of it sounds like a good idea. Some of it sounds nutty. But there's the whole Christianization of government part that most voters would not be happy with.
The part of P2025 that concerns us is the resucitation of the Comstock Act of 1873. It prohibits the transmission of obscene materials by the post office or any express company or other common carrier. It was amended to include any wire, cable, broadcast, or interactive computer service. This even includes audio recordings.
The same prohibition applies to information on abortion and birth control as well as the distribution of "treasonous material."
The exact wording of the Comstock Act as amended is here:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1462
Over the years, the courts have trimmed away the authority of the Comstock Act. However, the Act is still on the books and the next Supreme Court can look at the law and say it all looks good to them. The only way to completely kill a law is through repeal. Otherwise, it can rise from the dead like a vampire.
I think the Trump administration will be very careful how they tiptoe around Project 2025 and free speech. There would be a tremendous voter backlash to strict enforcement with a broad definition of "obscene, lewd, lascivious, or filthy." I don't think Elon would accept broad free-speech restrictions, either. They'll pick an egregious case they think they can win, and then it will have to traverse the courts.
What will happen long before any criminal prosecution is businesses that host websites proactively removing any material that could conceivably fall under the Comstock Act because they don't want the hassle of a possible fight in the future. The government can intimidate businesses into not allowing something, even if that something is perfectly legal.
I would adopt a "wait and see" approach. This will not happen suddenly. I doubt Elon Musk would tolerate it, if it did. If you remember, during the Reagan Administration, Attorney General Edwin Meese tried to declare Playboy and other girlie magazines to be pornography and prohibited under the Comstock Act. It went nowhere.
BTW, the full text of Project 2025 is here: https://www.project2025.org/policy/
Naturism itself is not under the federal purview, but the government could conceivably regulate commercial resorts under the Interstate Commerce Clause. I don't believe it will happen.
In fact,, I don't think they will pull off even a tenth of what they want. Republicans have only a precarious hold on Congress, and most of the people he wants to nominate don't have the competence to steer billion-dollar bureaucracies. Lawsuits will be filed and they will take time to wend through the courts. We will see rampant confusion for the first couple of years.
One year and eleven months to the mid-terms.
Land of the free and home of the brave. That is the biggest crock of S&1T I have ever heard of. It should be Land of the 'you have to be brave to be free' . how twisted has the country become, that people disguising themselves as christian conservatives are sprouting censorship, Hey I get porn, that should only be available to those that are mature enough, but the mere human body, well, they will likely outlaw greys anatomy (the book not the sitcom) because it containes images of an undressed human, and shows images of genitals, cummon people, what the H3LL is happening that you are ignorant to the fact that you are not free to be who you are. True freedom is being able to walk down the street naked without fear or persecution until that happens, your rights will be eroded until you are slaves to the system, dependant on the media for guidance - roll on 1984, it coming folks... WAKE UP EVERYONE!!!
Based on the Trump nominees so far, it looks like Project 25 is going nowhere. Two of the appointees who would have to carry some of the load for P25, AG Pam Bondi and FBI Kash Patel, are not P25 people. As I have posted before, any action against naturism will come from the States not the Federal government.
I'm sure there will be an effort to implement some of P25. There are even a few points raised that I agree with, like some of the proposals for Defence. It isn't like he can wave a hand and "make it so." The controversial stuff is controversial, and moving anything controversial is like wallowing in quicksand.
He will be much too busy to chase down naturists online. Preemptive moves by nervous Nellies in the web-hosting sphere would be my only concern, along with state/local governments gone amok.
Wishing you too a Happy December & Happy Christmas..You have raised a genuine doubt about the future for naturism in US when new government will be in action.History confirms that when any country-society opts to go with extreme nationalism & religiously motivated politics rather than the humanitarian approach, that country-society starts to loose its progress at all fronts.. Naturism is one of these fronts..
Some of us are nervous. Not so much because of T****, but more because of the "Christian" White Supremacists that put him back in office. You may recall that a few years ago Florida's governor, Ron DeSantis, took on Walt Disney World because of their progressive policies re LGBTQ folk. (And lost, thankfully!) And Wisconsin has already fought off a legal challenge aimed at the World Naked Bike Ride. So yeah, we're watching to see what White Christian Nationalism(TM) will try to do to us.
I thinkith you worry too much. Project 25 is not in anyway tied to Donald Trump.
As John said, it's all tied in by media only. There is not truth that Trump is in anyway going to invoke Project 25.
I guess you believed the lie. He wants to hire several of project 2025 if approved. He lied so people would vote for him as it was not a popular project in general. It no holds barred and good luck to our cause here. We will need it and does no good to deny it.
Just another one that drank the Kamala kool-aid
Project 25 was tied to Trump by the woke/ fake news media. Project 25 will go nowhere
Fake news? You mean Fox News?
Well, the bible belt and the (gay) porn belt overlap, so no worries, me thinks
Sadly, there's no prude as bad as a repressed gay prude.
The idea that there will be a crackdown on pornography under a Trump government, given the president-elect’s history with a porn actress and “pussygate” stretches irony beyond its most elastic limits. Remember when Henry Kissinger got the Nobel peace prize and Tom Lehrer gave up satire saying he couldn’t compete with that? This will be another of those moments.
No doubt "infusing conservative Christian values" in a country that will be led by a morally bankrupt individual that doesn't exhibit the most basic Christian values is absurd.
I suggest we can get some of idea as to some of the answers your questions by looking at what Elon has done with 'X'. He has stood by it in spite of some serious pushback from other countries. It is from ideologies such as china's
north korea pakistan, iraq, iran, etc, that we have to worry about absolutism.IMO.
Here's an interesting tidbit: the vast majority of members of the nudist resort near me are right-wingers.
I am ready to move to Canada before Trump's clown car completely wipes out our savings.
Some of the other comments say "don't panic". I am not concerned that Trump has "anything to do with Project 2025". Trump said, and this may be the only time he was telling the truth, that he hasn't read it. Of course he hasn't read it. Trump does not read anything. During his first term, it was reported that Donald Trump preferred his daily intelligence briefings to be presented in a more visual and concise format. He rarely read the written version of the President's Daily Brief (PDB) and instead opted for oral presentations that included maps, charts, pictures, and videos.
Of course he didn't read Project 2025.
No, Trump doesn't worry me because he is simply too stupid to carry out any of his insane threats. The people who worry me are those who are pulling his strings.
And, yes, the Federal government can and will make Naturism illegal. But first they have to make the US a "Christian" nation.
As a member of the rest of the world, I am constantly aware that the USA impacts us detrimentally. My personal desires and members of all the other 200 odd countries outside of USA are imposed upon by them. Let’s start the free world hosting alliance that does allow freedom of expression… let’s take back control of our data from the big US companies and use the equivalent of the
Equivalent of the Eu data protection and data sharing laws and extend to the companies that own these (and China isn’t a good place to start)